Which of You are thinking of Leaving this place?
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fabian said on January 1, 2007 18:42:
I am not meaning to sound mean, but hey... what happened to TDR?
No, I am not talking about the new look, I’m all over it as much as I am still missing the old face. Well, give and take.
This place is like so dead now, less and less posts which longer intervals of new reply everday. I still remember, 3 years ago that i used to post everyday and by the time I logged in the next day, there was like 6-7 new topics made. People were free to share views on things and yes, we mostly talk about roxette. We do argue about things but after a while the things just dies out and sizzle. People make friends again.
From most of the post that I read recently, most people are not happy with the way the mods are doing their job. Locking threads deemed to be offensive, putting on replies that reflects way down intellect of what I expect from a mod and more so on neglecting the sentiment of a few people.
Well, maybe this post will be locked but if that hapens I am so not surprised. Please, your statisctics shows that less and less people are visiting. If you are ignorant of why, it’s time for a self reflection.
fabian said on January 1, 2007 19:10:
Your reply mirrors exactly what I meant. I’ve been rereading a lot of your replies tevensso, and most are not so nice. Is this they way, you as people of higher authority act?
The people here kept the community alive. And we have been here long, long way back. I can still remember the lovely green hues and If I still remember it a bit longer the, the newspaper style theme (ala Look Sharp! if I am not mistaken).
A few years back, Lars archived one of my post for very solid reason, and I didn’t question his act. In fact I said sorry. But the way he handled the thing with such courtesy and humility astounds me.
If you want people to talk about Roxette, then just do so. What do you expect with a place which is titled ’OffTopic’ where we can ’Talk about your world, your love, your life... about anything.’? You tell me.
Judith (moderator) said on January 1, 2007 20:08:
“From most of the post I read recently, most people are not happy with the way the mods are doing their job”
And then read Thomas’ answer.
The amount of topics we close now is not higher than the ones we closed 1 year ago, the only thing I have seen that has changed is that more and more people think that for the mere fact of having a “moderator” tag next to your name, one is a target to be attacked and bashed, commented against etc etc. One has a limit of patience and well, we NOW answer back. There have always been some rules to follow, people used to accept them, until we got to the point we had to write them down because people seemed to (want to) forget them more and more often and have fun by trying to provoke us. There is more to tell, but I oh, why to waste the time.
It’s not the first time we’ve been this close to call it a day. It might just happen one day because it’s simply not a funny and nice hobby anymore.
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fabian said on January 1, 2007 20:19:
If I am a new user here, say 1-2 years membership period: then maybe you can assume I was typing my post based on the intention to blame. But I’ve been here long enough, way long. The only reason that I was absent for a long time was when my interest fizzled after Roxette started to churn out the same old repackaged greatest hits over and over again. So that’s it. Then The Change and SOAP came out and I started to visit the page again.
Now, just look at the most common element that is being discussed in this TDR Discussion Forum: what is it for none other than censorship and modding. These has never become a big issue before and trust me I never have problem with mods in my history of being a TDR member. At least accept my seniority as an old member to begin with as I don’t start this topic merely to bash.
And no, I don’t target the mods just because you have a tag to it.
Actually I was very surprised that some fans are very vocal about Roxette, which was a resurgence of different views from what I read years back: where people seem to worship and praise every element that is Roxette, Marie and Per. I like the changing TDR. You know what, at that time I knew it’s gonna be interesting that people have woke up. Yup.
Krischan said on January 1, 2007 21:45:
Well, I ain’t gonna leave.
When a hobby starts to become more and more a unloved duty than a joy one will quit. And I’d regret the loss of the No. 1 source of information about my favourite artists.
Obviously, people need to be supervised. And if one could blame the moderators, then for not having been stricter in the past. All were used to “the long line” they walked with. Now the line is shorter (for good reasons) and of course, most complain. It’s all a matter of actio and reactio.
It’s the tone the music consists of. And this has become most unpleasant. My wish to the mods is to keep their reactions and replies friendlier and follow one route strictly. My wish to the community is to start acting reasonable and not like a bunch of kiddies.
crashroxer said on January 1, 2007 21:47:
I really don’t like this new version. I’m sorry guys. But, TDR is really DEAD now!!!
tevensso (moderator) said on January 1, 2007 22:44:
So LEAVE! I personally am really sick of hearing how shitty TDR is, if you don’t like it don’t hang around... It can’t be simpler than that.
Thank you Krischan, for your words.
Anarem said on January 2, 2007 06:59:
I’m not leaving. Why? Well, as tevensso put it, where else can one find the latest info on Roxette stuff? Type “Roxette” in Google News, and 90% of the articles that pop up are from the Daily Roxette. This place is a very valuable resource, guys! Their first and foremost obligation is to get the word out about any Per/Marie/Rox news as quickly and as accurately as possible, not to mollycoddle people or cater to everyone’s whims.
I think that a lot of people have “left” TDR because they’re tired of reading people complain about the new look of the place, and the general air of negativity going around the boards. Per himself has had how many haircuts and facelifts, and he’s still the same musical genius that everone loves–but TDR goes and gets a facelift of its own, and it’s not the same place anymore? C’mon.
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whateveriam said on January 2, 2007 13:15:
TDR isn’t dead. The forum might be visibly dying off, but the newspaper side isn’t...if the mod’s stuck with that side, and shut down the forum, it might be better that way.
Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup...
’Even if I am in love with you. All this to say, what’s it to you?’
Lantartida said on January 2, 2007 14:18:
I agree, whateverian. The newspaper side is not dead and, after the change, I like it more than before. We users have killed the forum with our own stupidness and arrogant attitude. I understand the mods reactions. Sorry if I’ve also been too arrogant or stupid sometimes here.
Kiwein1 said on January 4, 2007 10:49:
I sometimes think that people are much too serious about things. I agree with Thomas about the fact that “if you don’t like it here you can go and leave”. Nobody holds you back. And topics like this one won’t change anything either. So the discussion is a bit useless IMHO.
Speaking for myself I can say that I still check the page several times a day for news but nearly never read in the forum since the layout changed. I don’t know if it’s because the layout changed or not. But I never *thought* about it until I came across this topic by accident.
And for the moderators: Keep the work doing you do at the moment. If you changed anything ppl would complain again. So stick to it. I think you’re doing a great job and I agree with Krischan about the “being a bit friendlier” thing.
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The Pop Hits said on January 10, 2007 22:29:
fabian you are so right... tdr is so dead nowadays. No one seems to care...people are leaving. Even off-topic is very quiet what a pity.
na na na na na
Emil__BG said on January 10, 2007 22:38:
Yeepppp ,some people want TDRs death.
But if some people have the courage to see the truth and when (if) mods fix bugs and change the bad look everything will go back to normal,cos we see that others forums didn’t fade as TDR.
Emil__BG said on January 11, 2007 06:43:
and YES—TDR Discussions is more “popular” now than Offtopic.
fabian said on January 11, 2007 12:06:
OK, I tried not to post a reply to this topic cause I don’t wanna get the fire burning more. So let’s leave it like it is. That’s why it was such a long time since I responded to more posts.
Anyway, I went to visit Run to Roxette forum recently and much to my surprise, things are more heated up over there. Maybe people are more careful of the things that they post here. Strangely, in RTR, there are still threads about mp3 links (to demos mostly) and the topics have been going on for weeks with no locking. And much more surprising that some of the TDR moderators are also the mods there (If I am correct). Hmm...
Does the policy of TDR is very different then RTR? If Roxette management is furious over song leaks, I can tell them that it can happened anywhere: other forum, bittorent and hell... just by googling (recapping the One wish and reveal revealing).
RoXoR said on January 11, 2007 14:20:
Those mods are providing us with news about Roxette and trying to build a rox community for years now. While the group is not that active anymore those mods are still active. Like you mentioned before, the daily roxette went through a lot of changes, and people complained all the time. But now that Roxette is having a “break” some of you just complaining about everything, as you don’t anything to talk about anymore.
Just to remind you it is not the mods job, it is a hobby, and they are fans as we are but they have to be more objective. And I know that some of their replys are not too nice but that is quite understandable. Just try to think of being in there position and everybody is complaining.Tobe honest I would have quit a long time before I was in their position and somehow I did,i am reading this site but don’t write anymore. The reason should be quite obvious,
Maybe we can change this topic and saying “Thank You” for the mods’ engagement and the great job they did through all the years. What would Roxette be without them?
pwbbounce (moderator) said on January 11, 2007 15:47:
Well said RoXoR!!!
All the negativity in here is driving people away. I must admit, I haven’t been leaving that many comments recently because I don’t want to join the whole ’let slag TDR off for the 1,543,752th time’
I’m just hoping that when there is a new full album the people which have left here, come back. I do miss the old TDR when the were constantly replies to threads, and new ones being started all the time. But you’ve just gotta live with it!
I do still come by every single day though, just to be nosey! :-)
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fabian said on January 11, 2007 16:17:
For once I never wish for its death. If I am, I would never have posted here again. That never was my original intenttion, I dunno why it was taken in that way.
The problem is, if people like me started to give some feedback that is rather unpleasant, some people might interpert that as ungrateful, whining or plain complaining. But are all feedbacks supposed to be about positive things? You get comments and you analyse and interact with them. Not just plain dishing them away.
We all know that there are two sides of roxette fan that posts here: one that really airs his/her views, sometimes really honest that some people can’t really take the revelation. The other one is the optimistic type, thanking for all the roxette stuff coming (rather than none at all, right?) but somehow a bit disappointed with a few things, but kept silent in denial (need I say, the 3rd repackaged greatest hits yet again?) If my descriptions are wrong, then ignore them.
And for the record, this is the first time in my TDR history of creating a topic of this sort.. And I am a Roxette fan.
Emil__BG said on January 11, 2007 16:19:
RoXoR
We are not here from yestarday ,and Roxette and co were in worste situations.
But TDR forum never was in such bad shape.
That’s the simple fact.
Don’t think that we are ungrateful idiots just cos we pointing some probs.
Be honest and say if you like or not the new “look”. Give us a link to a world famous music band forum with such “look” and “possibilities” .
Read again what have said fabian and take a look on sonofaplumber gyllenetider and marie forums.
Don’t you see the difference????
Tell me that you didn’t see any bugs and improvident things in new forum and i’ll understand why you wrote it.
If it was a hobby why they bother to change the working layout??
Why changing and old but working VHS player to maybe new but not good looking and not well working VHS player .
Especially when everybody use DVD player???
fabian said on January 11, 2007 16:26:
Emil__BG, I know your feeling just by reading your ” why we can’t edit our post?” topic.
It’s hard when you are misunderstood. But well, we have been here way long to know how different it was.
Emil__BG said on January 11, 2007 16:47:
well said fabian
We are here from long time and never complain about anything ,,,,but now it just doesn’t work..
You are really Roxette fan cos you care about these forums.
People who doesn’t care and only read from time to time forums or want but don’t feel comfortable to write here from few weeks —all these people if here no change ,unfortunately soon we leave it forever..
And people who want the death of TDR are the ones who wanted TDR to be only “one news page ” wonder.
“tdr disscusiion ” forum by default can’t be only about good things.
PS :
fabian
sorry for answering in your topic.I’ll try to not replay .Didn’t wanted to start fire again ,but was pissed
off in that moment..
if i could i would edit my post..
RoXoR said on January 11, 2007 17:34:
But this is not about Roxette that is about TDR, the only way to get fresh information about the group we like, about people who invest a lot of time to make interviews to support Roxette and us. It is something different if you discuss about One Wish or Reveal.
I admit that the new forum is not that colourful but about the edit button, hmm, you can’t edit if someone has already replied, what’s wrong with it?
But that the forum is not that busy anymore, well, the same happens to every other forum about roxette as well, but hey, there are not that many news right now and topics are discussed trice, but that is ok, there will be times when the forum gets busier again. But think about what would happen when Roxette or Per or Marie are making a new CD but Thomas or Judith decides to quit because they are sick and tired of spending free-time and providing us with news because a lot of peolpe are complaining...
I don’t want to offend anyone, that is just my oppinion.
Judith (moderator) said on January 11, 2007 17:41:
Fabio: “And much more surprising that some of the TDR moderators are also the mods there (If I am correct). Hmm...”
I wonder why you have to go around with indications instead of writing things as they are. It’s not “some of the TDR moderators” but just one: yes, I am a moderator at R2R. Exactly in the Marie Fredriksson forum because Jorge asked me if I wanted to be one, I accepted. I cannot moderate other forums over there. He is the owner of the website and the forum and he decides the rules. I moderate the forum according to his rules. I am tied to the management and Roxette’s rules when I moderate in Roxette.se/SOAP.com forum as the site belongs to them and they decide on the rules. And I follow the rules on TDR as we (owner and staff) have decided them to be. Nothing more nothing less. Cannot be too hard to understand ;)
Regarding feedback: many took the time to send us (negative) feedback (thanks!) to improve the new website and we have changed many things as well, but whatever we do, it will never be enough for some (luckily, a minority). Guess now I understand Per’s comment back in September. And I don’t even spend so much time and money on TDR as Visa does. To tell the truth, if I would be in his position TDR would not be anymore. This is not a paid service and we do it because we want to and (used to) have fun with it. Now it only makes us sad, disappointed and pissed off. Do you think one would go on much longer like this?
Do you think it’s normal the only thing we expect to reading these days are the negative comments people have posted on here? (Both about TDR and about Roxette & Co and anything else). This is what makes people leave, if there is anybody who has left at all, as I don’t see that in the logs, I could imagine they are sick and tired of so much negativity and fights because this is what makes us TDR-staff want to leave as well. So yes, leave if you don’t like it here and only have your bitterness to spread around and let those who still want to have a good time in here enjoy their time here. I don’t go to places I don’t like either, why should I?
So now it’s out. There is just one thing missing, one of my favourite sentences by Marie ;)
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Krischan said on January 11, 2007 18:12:
When talking loudly about “giving feedback” and tell the staff to accept it, I wonder why most have forgotten about the rules of feedback completely. So why would they surrender to the rules of accepting feedback then, as you demand?
ncurran said on January 11, 2007 20:41:
It does seem kind of dead at the moment, but i think this is more to do with the lack of happenings in ’rox world’ at the moment, rather than the change of design. I’m sure it will liven up a bit when there is a new Per/Marie/SOAP/Rox release. I dont visit as much either at the moment, but thats mainly because i dont think there will be much to discuss.
Kiwein1 said on January 14, 2007 07:46:
“So now it’s out. There is just one thing missing, one of my favourite sentences by Marie ;)”
Get a life? ;-D
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Kamila said on January 14, 2007 14:48:
TDR is not dead. Personally I find it very useful and informative. That’s the reason why this site has been my starting page since ever. Maybe the forum is not so active as it used to be but we have to face the fact that there are many other forums. I don’t take part in TDR discussions as I’m an active member of the Polish Fansite and I find it enough.
alesluc said on January 14, 2007 17:38:
hey guys, who is dead? this is my favourite newspaper. one of the few places on the web which i visit daily. So far I have been just a reader, now i try to be more active. From my point of view, this site and the forum are wonderful places in which we can share our love for the two Swedes. Thank you guys, whoever you are!
tevensso (moderator) said on January 1, 2007 18:51:
To repeat myself; if you don’t like it here, feel free to find new territory.
People may not be happy about us moderators, because people simply don’t behave anymore. Things have almost gotten out of hand, that’s why we moderators are tougher. The statistics show nothing out of the ordinary, and where else on the Net will you find Rox news this hot and fresh?
No, I’m not thinking of leaving this place.
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